There has been some recent news about how not vaccinating children is leading to outbreaks of diseases that are no longer around. It seems to be causing concerns in many people. Even Grandpa called concerned about his grandchildren.
We belong to a yahoo group called [jstsayno2vaccs] and wanted to share the discussion with you. This is a yahoo group for people who don’t vaccinate their pets. Dawn T has some great insight on the subject.
OK, so a friend asked me last night what about this article regarding the recent “outbreak” of measles among children who haven’t been vaccinated and what’s going to happen if no one vaccinates and measles “erupts” again and children die etc. Then went on to ask me about polio and would I want to see people debilitated again from this horrible disease that crippled and killed before vaccines? And I didn’t have an answer. I get it about the harm and the dangers of vaccines. My weakest point is around the public health consequences of not vaccinating. I vaguely understand that the turn-arounds on some of these illnesses might be related to other factors and coincidental to vaccines but I’m confused and would like to be better prepared for these discussions.
Please advise.
Carol
Response to Carol:
What the news media (most of them anyway) is saying is that all the children who have gotten sick are unvaccinated, but it’s not true. About half have been fully vaccinated, which means the vaccines are failing. This happened a few years ago, too, when a whole classroom of 35 kids contracted measles, and all of them were fully vaccinated. Turned to be a recently vaccinated child who was patient zero.
Measles was dying out before they started shooting people with it. If you look at the case charts even the CDC has, you can clearly see the decrease in measles that then STOPPED decreasing after vaccines were introduced. Public health consquences are actually from vaccinating, not from STOPPING vaccinations. Unfortunately, there WILL be consequences for some children when people choose not to vaccinate. Because most generations have been vaccinated by this point, children who are not vaccinated are not getting antibodies from their mothers who are vaccinated the way those whose mothers actually had measles are. As a result, when measles does hit, it is often striking younger children than the disease did before the use of vaccines. Ergo, this increases the risk of complications. Also, measles vaccinations SENSITIZE some children to measles – i.e. make them more vulnerable to it – because of the way the vaccine assaults the immune system. Another reason why so many fully vaccinated children are getting sick with measles.
They are seeing the same thing with chicken pox. Children are getting it older and older rather than at an age when it is safest for them to contract it. Plus, the vaccine is causing shingles in children, something that used to be seen pretty much only in older adults who were reaching an age to be immune compromised. So their solution? Create a separate vaccine for shingles. So they are vaccinating for one disease (the virus that causes chicken pox and shingles is the same bug) and using two different vaccinations to do it. And they are perpetuating chronic illness and immune destruction in so doing.
Of course, another public health consequence of vaccinating is that immunity from vaccinations doesn’t last a lifetime in many cases like natural disease exposure. Children who have been vaccinated for chicken pox are still prone to the disease down the road, when they are older and at higher risk of complications. Unlike people like me who had chicken pox as a kid and can safely be around kids now who have it as I’m permanently immune. This may not seem too significant, but if you look at the big picture this means one thing – MORE vaccinations. They are now recommending that these kids be vaccinated throughout their lives with chicken pox, rather than just as children, to make sure they don’t get it as adults since they didn’t have the disease as kids. Of course, the more vaccines they are given, the greater the risk of adverse reactions and permanent damage, just like with vaccinating our dogs.
In essence, vaccinations have made measles WORSE than it was before. My mother had measles. She was a child during the time when people weren’t so ignorant and actually had measles parties (much like they had with my generation and chicken pox) so their kids would get it at the best age for less complications. I asked her about measles once and she said she had never known a SINGLE child who contracted measles who died when she was growing up. Very few kids actually died from measles in those days, because mothers knew how to take care of it at home. They didn’t make the mistake people do today of getting doctors involved with every blessed case of everything. (Anyone ever noticed that a HUGE percentage of kids who die from chicken pox even today are those who had doctors intervening and treating them with inappropriate drugs?) Mothers used to use common sense when it came to illness. Now, we live in a germ-phobic society who listens to doctors and kills and maims children on a mass scale.
We have to remember that most vaccines were invented for two reasons:
One is convenience. It’s very inconvenient, especially this day in age of double income homes, for kids to be sick with anything. This is why they actually came out with the chicken pox vaccine. Had NOTHING to do with saving lives (chicken pox vaccine kills more than it saves anyway). It was all about keeping people at work and not at home taking care of their kids if they got sick. (Of course, they’ve traded being out of work to care for kids sick with measles, mumps and chicken pox for being out permanently taking care of kids with autism and other severe problems.)
Reason number two is money. Pure and simple profit. And they use fear mongering to boost those profits. This is why they downplay the role vaccines play in killing and maiming. This is why they continue to hard sell and legislate vaccinations. It’s not about saving lives. It’s about money. And because greed is at the base of it, they choose to ignore all evidence that vaccinations cause harm in the form of short-term and long-term illness AND that vaccines either fail to protect against the very diseases they are supposed to prevent, or that they CAUSE the very diseases they are supposed to prevent. And that’s aside from the fact they are literally poisoning children and adults with the toxic chemicals and foreign proteins they are injecting into a body not intended to be poisoned in this fashion.
Oh, and I nearly forgot public health consequence number three of vaccinating – the perpetuation and spread of these diseases. Children who have been vaccinated are CONTAGIOUS for about 3 weeks following vaccinations. Even my mother, with her lack of formal education, knows this. When we were kids and they vaccinated us for anything (I had a whole 3 shots by the time I was high school age), she was told by the doctors to keep us away from pregnant women, immune compromised individuals (i.e. sick people), younger children (toddlers and infant) and the elderly for at least 3 weeks because we were contagious. This contagion factor hasn’t changed, but the doctors don’t mention it anymore. As a result, mass populations of recently vaccinated children are exposing the whole population to disease.
I’ve often felt that parvo is only still around because of viral shedding in vaccinated puppies and dogs. I’ve wondered if it would have died out by now if it weren’t for this perpetuation. I wonder the same thing about measles, polio and a host of human diseases. If you look at the CDC’s own info and charts, you can see the sharp drop in cases of illness until the use of vaccinations started. Then things either climbed or remained constant from that point on. Of course, with polio, they redefined it to make their information look better (reclassified MOST cases of polio as something else after the vaccine came out to falsely skew the numbers).
The reality is, and history shows, that viruses left alone (i.e. no vaccinations or antibiotics) decrease not only in number of cases but also in virulence. This the natural way of things. The population not only becomes immune to that virus and pass that immunity down to the next generation, but the virus itself becomes less virulent due to natural mutations. It is NOT in a viruses best interest to kill the host. If the host dies, the virus dies. If the host gets sick, and the disease can replicate, and the host does NOT die, the virus lives. Natural selection at it’s finest. It is only when man gets his greedy fingers into the mix that we see viruses perpetuated with continued numbers of cases and even INCREASE the virulence of those same diseases. Not to mention the forced mutations man’s arrogance triggers.
And finally, as I already mentioned – public health consequence #3 is the deaths and injury vaccines cause every day. Before the use of the chicken pox vaccine, there were about 3 dozen deaths a year attributed to CP, quite a chunk of which were in older children and adults who contracted the disease and are the highest risk population for complications and death. Anyone care to take a guess at how many deaths the vaccine is admitted to have caused annually since its introduction? I’ll give you a hint. It’s a lot more than the disease itself. 😉 And I’m talking only about the deaths they ADMIT are linked to the CP vaccine, which account for less than 10% either way you slice it (per FDA admission about the actual reporting of adverse reactions).
Incidentally, one of the things that amaze me is that people get all screwball about an “outbreak” even if no one dies. The kids get sick with measles. Woopee….. Kids get sick with colds, too, but no one freaks out over it. Main reason being, the pHARMa industry hasn’t developed a vaccine for colds yet, so there hasn’t been any fear mongering about how deadly colds are. And, yes, colds DO kill some people every year, due to complications, just like measles, mumps, chicken pox, etc when they weren’t being intefered with. So, should we all freak out because there’s a cold going around?
Oh, and with regards to polio specifically? Polio is actually no more dangerous than the average flu or cold. Most people who contracted it showed few or no symptoms. Many could have easily written it off as a simple flu or cold, as a matter of fact. It is only those who are in a weakened state for some reason that actually get the symptoms that the fear mongers try to claim are the COMMON symptoms, including paralysis and death. Paralysis and death with polio were no more common than complications and death with flu today. And we all know, despite how the CDC rolls in pneumonia figures to the flu figures, that flu isn’t the killer they want us to believe it is. 😉 I’ve talked to people who were alive during the big polio outbreak. Most of them knew NO ONE who developed complications or died from it. Also, most of them were around people who were sick to some degree or another and they never got sick themselves. Turns out that they only knew about “all those deaths” because of the news media, not because of personal experiences with multiple polio-related complications and deaths.
Go figure.
Dawn T
Response to Dawn T:
Turned to be a recently vaccinated child who was patient zero.
Unlike people like me who had chicken pox as a kid
My first bout with ckn pox was in kindergarten.. i had it pretty bad then. however, with primary immunodeficiency disorder, i do not build up antibodies to any thing.
She was a child during the time when people weren’t so ignorant and actually had measles parties (much like they had with my generation and chicken pox) so their kids would get it at the best age for less complications.
we did this for my son, and it backfired on us.. His Measles went into scarletina.. and he ended up in a quarantined ICU. Even though i had Measles before. i ended up with the scarletina also. they did not give medications and just let it run its coarse.. they DID take a lot of Blood from ME.. though.. i was the only one getting jabbed.
Mothers used to use common sense when it came to illness. Now, we live in a germ-phobic society who listens to doctors and kills and maims children on a mass scale.
actually.. i think that its more that in the older days.. *moms* stayed HOME and were not out earning a living.. so they could stay at home with the sick child.. when i was able to work, (back in kansas city, missouri, and much younger <g>) the mom’s brought their *too sick for school* kids to work.. and i would be exposed to the ckn pox, measles all over again.. and i DID get them over and over and over again. this was prior to AIDS so there was no *scare* of it then.
Reason number two is money. Pure and simple profit. And they use fear mongering to boost those profits. This is why they downplay the role vaccines play in killing and maiming. This is why they continue to hard sell and legislate vaccinations. It’s not about saving lives. It’s about money. And because greed is at the base of it, they choose to ignore all evidence that vaccinations cause harm in the form of short-term and long-term illness AND that vaccines either fail to protect against the very diseases they are supposed to prevent, or that they CAUSE the very diseases they are supposed to prevent. And that’s aside from the fact they are literally poisoning children and adults with the toxic chemicals and foreign proteins they are injecting into a body not intended to be poisoned in this fashion.
this falls along the lines that Dr Laibow talks of with Codex and those behind it.. its more then money.. its still a greed.. for power.. much like the type of control that some tried to enforce on a race of people in Germany.. Codex was actually started by the same like people.. so i read. big pharma wants every one to be seeking them out to be healthy.. when they really are not.. not the money so much as it is the power over others. I think that is actually a greater danger.
Children who have been vaccinated are CONTAGIOUS for about 3 weeks following vaccinations. Even my mother, with her lack of formal education, knows this. When we were kids and they vaccinated us for anything (I had a whole 3 shots by the time I was high school age), she was told by the doctors to keep us away from pregnant women, immune compromised individuals (i.e. sick people), younger children (toddlers and infant) and the elderly for at least 3 weeks because we were contagious. This contagion factor hasn’t changed, but the doctors don’t mention it anymore. As a result, mass populations of recently vaccinated children are exposing the whole population to disease.
something that Codex really wants.. to prove their mission in life.. (sarcasm)
BUT a lot of doctors Now are NOT being taught this.. so shake the finger at their professors.. and the ones that write the text books.
just like it is with vets .. they are not taught about nutrition and digestion. they have a couple of paragraphs on it and nothign more.. and kibble mfgs buy up waste products from human mfg to make into kibble.
I’ve often felt that parvo is only still around because of viral shedding in vaccinated puppies and dogs.
In humans, parvo is called *fifth disease*. ive had it 7 times.. all from exposures to kids that had the shots.. and that was from working in day cares.. i really did enjoy being a teacher.
The reality is, and history shows, that viruses left alone (i.e. no vaccinations or antibiotics) decrease not only in number of cases but also in virulence. This the natural way of things. The population not only becomes immune to that virus and pass that immunity down to the next generation, but the virus itself becomes less virulent due to natural mutations. It is NOT in a viruses best interest to kill the host. If the host dies, the virus dies. If the host gets sick, and the disease can replicate, and the host does NOT die, the virus lives. Natural selection at it’s finest.
Codex … *mission in life*
It is only when man gets his greedy fingers into the mix that we see viruses perpetuated with continued numbers of cases and even INCREASE the virulence of those same diseases. Not to mention the forced mutations man’s arrogance triggers.
Main reason being, the pHARMa industry hasn’t developed a vaccine for colds yet,
and they wont either.. too much money is being made by them and their subsids.. for the otc remedies to *ease* the symptoms of the cold.. there is more money to be made to keep the cold around.. then to try to find the cure. ever notice that those herbals / vitamins that actually help to keep people healthy are dwindling on the shelves? and some are no longer available???
such as kelp.. used to be able to use the whole product to supplement lower iodine now its split up and in the wrong dosages.. too high in some portions and too low in others.
Most people who contracted it showed few or no symptoms. Many could have easily written it off as a simple flu or cold, as a matter of fact. It is only those who are in a weakened state for some reason that actually get the symptoms that the fear mongers try to claim are the COMMON symptoms, including paralysis and death.
Except there are actually people these days that ARE disabled .. they have the problems with mobility and when tested, they are finding they had contracted Polio as children, showed no symptoms THEN (so they did nto know they had it) but they have major problems now. its termed PPS.. or post polio syndrome. its not a label given lightly to describe some vague complaints. its quite crippling now to these people later in life. While they had no symptoms.. they did have the damage.
Josephine M
Dawn T Response:
Every issue you mention, Josephine, goes back to one thing. The individuals were not healthy to begin with. These are the types of people who would benefit greatly from homeopathy and other natural modalities that repair epigenetic damage that cause weakened immunity and vulnerable bodies. (Not to mention their children need that treatment to undo that damage plus whatever has been done directly to them since conception.) Individuals such as yourself are prime examples of why homeopathy and other such modalities are so important. A body that doesn’t form immunity from natural exposure is NOT healthy and not functioning properly. Whether that is due to things YOU were exposed to as a small child or damage handed down by your parents, I can’t say. Unfortunately, even with treatment, you will probably never be healthy (anymore than I probably ever can be), but the next generation could be a step better than our compromised systems. With treatment of each generation, improvement continues.
But as long as the poisonings continue, there will be only further degradation; no improvement is possible in that situation.
We see this same issue in dogs who come from kibble fed, vaccinated and otherwise poisoned lines. They are more prone to disease, less likely to fight off disease naturally, have more problems with healing, and more problems overall. And that is getting worse with each generation that passes. As some lines are cleaned up by NR breeders, those problems gradually decrease. It takes generations to clean up the mess PR breeders and conventional vets have created. There’s no reason it would be different for people. But unlike NR breeders, most humans haven’t gotten to the point where they understand the damage they are doing to themselves by giving vaccinations to “prevent” acute disease, thereby causing chronic disease in exchange as well as adding to generational toxicity even further. We compound that in the human children in society. Each generation is getting sicker and sicker. There’s no coincidence in that.
There has been great success in treating those who had contact with polio who later show damage from it using homeopathy. It’s no different than dogs who have long-term damage to their myelin from distemper or distemper vaccine (which causes it more than the disease itself) or other such issues. Polio vaccine is, in itself, a serious killer. And it disables more people than the disease itself has. Make no mistake about it. Vaccination is NOT the answer. Building the body’s natural defenses is. Vaccination weakens the body, and that weakness is handed down to the next generation in the form of epigenetic damage. And each generation gets sicker than the one before as a result. It’s a vicious cycle that MUST be stopped before humans destroy themselves.
Shoot, the AR and environmental wackos don’t have to worry about us too much. We’re systematically wiping ourselves off the planet anyway by poisoning ourselves to death with vaccinations, poor diets, pesticides, medications, you name it. All they have to do is be patient. 😉 God simply didn’t intend for our bodies to be so badly abused. The body, whether human or otherwise, can’t take years and generations of chemical and malnutrition abuse and not break down.
We can’t create health by poisoning the body or starving it of the nutrients it needs. Fact of life. 😉
Dawn T
Response to Dawn T:
Hi Dawn;
You are so “right” on this issue!
I happen to live in the area where this measles outbreak of 200 cases is occuring. They are blaming it on one UNVACCINATED person from another Province who visited a family that also did not believe in vaccines!
Anyway, I don’t know if anyone caught the “Nova” program last night on PBS, “The Ghost in Your Genes” very informative.. one of the research projects they did with mice was to show the difference in offspring with “nurturing mothers” vs ones that did not nurture their young. Also there was another project on diet and how you could switch off those genes that cause disease “‘it really brought home and validated all that we as NR breeders are doing!!!
Here is a quote from the program: Randy Jirtle is director of the Laboratory of Epigenetics and Imprinting at Duke University and is a professor of radiation oncology at the school’s medical center. His groundbreaking research with agouti mice has revealed that a mother’s diet during pregnancy can influence gene expression in her offspring by altering the epigenome. Since obtaining his M.S. (1973) and Ph.D. (1976) in radiation biology from the University of Wisconsin-Madison, Jirtle has published over 150 scholarly articles and registered three patents. He currently serves on the editorial boards of three scientific journals and manages the epigenetics Web site geneimprint.org, which focuses on the quest to understand how environmental factors can affect human disease.
You can view the program here: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/genes/
Cheers
Sandra
Another response to Dawn T:
Wow, Dawn… that’s a keeper! Thanks!
Martha
Response to Martha:
Thanks, Martha. Some issues, I can’t seem to keep my mouth shut. And being
a detail person, I can’t usually sum these things up in a few words. *G* I
hope I didn’t overload anyone. 😉
Dawn T
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